Family father of excel. I get that he worked at Spring Creek but that doesnt make him a bad apple too. I grew somewhat accustomed to the monotony, floating through the same day over and over and over again. I been in prison now and still this place was the worst place I have ever been. This included the confiscation of my black and purple polka dot underwear. During this time we were kept so far from civilization that the only hope for survival was to stay with the group. Home office. All of these world-class services can vouch for the amazing fishery at McCoy Spring Creek Ranch. For some reason I have the discovery seminar in a binder I have yet to destroy. Improvements on the ranch are tailor-made for rustic Montana summer retreats. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch is a vacant land on a 1,185 acre lot. She went in while I stayed in the car. I was the one the whole molestation case was about. We got jumped constantly, almost every other day cause there was shit to do n people got bored. If my brother ever reads this I hope he gets as far away from the abuse that is the family. After a week and a half of snowshoeing through this insane weather that no sane person would subject themselves to willingly, they gave us cross country skis . They humiliated me on purpose for furthering the breaking down process of their mental conditioning. I am gonna write him sometime this week also. Get away from it all on our extensive network of private access waters. I thought I was doing the right thing. Im so glad this place closed down. My experience at SCL showed me the more cruel and evil side of human nature. By accepting our use of cookies, your data will be aggregated with all other user data. talking to adolescent girl about this and in front of his wife no less !!!!! Sounds terrible I thought about her and how terrible her parents might feel right now. My parents then sent me to a southern baptist program in Kentucky for my junior year. We shared rumors and strategies to get out. So good to finally find some people who can relate to my experience. Yes, I was 16, doing some recreational drug use, maybe a little overboard with the speed, esp so young but whatever,but when i got out i moved out of my parents house, bounced around, no real address for a few years, and was mainlining by the time i was 18. after getting in some trouble, i got out of all of that. What fucking psycho plays tony Robbins at every fucking meal. I wish I had the parenting knowledge I have now before I sent her to Spring Creek. Take care. The spring creek program was a joke for sure but I say there are some people and effects we would not have known if it werent for that horrific experience. Horror stories from the incoming junior staff from Samoaone guy said they locked him a trunk and floated him at sea, then threw rocks at the trunk while he was inside of it. My name is Devin, and I was in Integrity family in 2000. Good job!!! ? Damn that was a long ass run through a dark ass forest Didnt make it down the hill until sun started coming up. The Little Belt Cattle Company Starting a Cattle Ranch by Combining Three Properties. From Wisconsin? This process is automatic. Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilderness, the 1,185 acre Nevada Spring Creek Ranch features a dynamic blend of water resources including over 5 miles of a restored Spring Creek, nearly 6 miles of Nevada Creek--a major tributary of the upper Blackfoot River--and hundreds of acres of pristine wetland habitat. Wow . I told people to keep and eye on her. The Counselors who had no degrees were simply misfits from society who had no where else to go, One of tre counselors had gone through the program himself and was offered a job with no degree. I spent alot of time in worksheets for looking at girls. Sorry about your luck, Mr. Mike. I cant remember the name of the 2-story cabin that had the laundry room at the bottomIm spacin on that. I didnt need wwasp to furnish me with a house!!!! But as far as the staff go I had nothing but great staff member Chaffin and Cameron did walk around like kings but they were harmless. Who the hell were these guys? I was in Spring Creek back when they first opened up in 96 97 when there was only 2 cabins. They just didnt know how to communicate with me and I didnt know how to communicate with them. Do you have any idea where they could have taken her? What lines, why is food an issue, what work parties???? He may have known your son. How are you gonna mention doug b4 me man lol. Central Montana has a wide variety of outdoor recreation. If you were a student/detainee, I would say the Pullans and. When enough boys had arrived, they split us into 3 groups and told us to come up with family names and we would get our own cabins. But after they saw that he and I wwerent causing iasues, they let us interact and hang out at free time which is when most jumpings occured. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch last sold on April 08, 2022 for $2,500,000. No cooking inside. Anyway, hope you guys are all doing good, I think of you all from time to time. When i went i was 17 so i only had a year to do. Thank you so much for posting this, and being such a good advocate for her safety. Its been awhileI cant say much for my short stay that others havent. This place was hell. I learned a lot but I do not agree on how thing were runned there and i still wonder and hope they dont re open ! If you are the same person doing the same thing with the same bad attitude as before you qent to the program wake up! All the buildings are still there. I thought you were an adult once you turned 18 the last time I checked. Itll always be behind you sir, leave it back there for the occasional kicking when it dares to interrupt your sleep. I called my sister and told her that some people are here and I dont know where Im going. I remember not getting propper shoes or even my shoe laces during winter cause of a prior wilderness program i was in they claimed i could run n survive in the woods. I remember when Cameron let me babysit his kids and how much trust he had in me. I was part of the serenity family. Click on "BOOK NOW" above to make your reservations for the coming season. Our private spring creek is limited to just six anglers per day for an exclusive experience. We didnt stay too close after he came back. The large amount of faster water is often a bonus when fishing a spring creek since the trout have a bit less time to inspect our flies. I have since married and had three children, and can say I am pretty happy in my life. We walked heal toe and couldnt look up out of line or we would loose points which ultimately made you a prisoner longer. This is the shit that bugged me out about this place you had kids trying to be super cops to other kids. The one that always struck me as ridiculous was how they wouldnt let you look at the girls. i just wanted it to be private at the time. There are so many little lessons I learned there that I still use today. The portion of the creek on the O'hair ranch is filled with riffles, pockets and runs. Other schools like it have also been shut down for similar reasons including suicide/attempted suicide of the students and lawsuits thanks to allegations of child abuse and neglect/ human rights violations. They also had the seminars which were abusive in their own right. Her mother would be scared shitless if she knew what possible dangers were out here. They put us in the 4 wheel drive bus again and took us up higher into the mountains. Also, notice how she directs all her insults to you as in, she never was one of us Sounds to me this is nothing more than another industry troll trying to justify the abuse they profited from. I did was in this whole new place with a few people I knew and a ton of people I didnt and I had to be an upper level and consequence people and play the game of accountability and all that. Oh and if you struggle with school work good luck. Anyway, Im sorry you got screwed with. Not only do you get to live in a luxurious Tell us how to reach you and we'll get back in touch. Do you know it? How long were you there? Dan Peart Funny name to give considering that serenity was the farthest thing from describing this place. The young, free spirited, charismatic kid that came there never got to go back home. Currently, Cameron runs the Riverview program which is a summer camp with its dorms located on the old Cross Creek Manor property. This area is renowned for its stunning vistas, including the towering Tobacco Root, Ruby, Highlands and Pioneer mountain ranges. Thanks a lot you guys. You should head over to the kiss wwasps ass forums. Singing Gregorian chants in the hobbit hole. But I still new right from wrong. The worst part is these programs go on operating, get shut down and reopen in new locations with different names and the world just lives on, completely oblivious that hell holes such as these really exist. Im looking to buy up some land in MT, something with river access. i did meet some other victims of this place that I love to pieces and some are on my facebook. Which was nothing because you did the same shit everyday. Most of our trips include rods, flies and we rent waders. I still have scars on my back where an upper class student had whipped me with a stick when I refused his commands. Everything you said X 10 My god its insane to see the talk to this day continue. Let me know if you were in unity around the same time. I hope the girls in my family are alright. So this isnt my real name. I was switch after maybe 1 day, if my memory serves me correct to Dignity. I will ask him. I hated that place. No I was in Serenity.99-2000. Come on people embrace the good! Your kids likely do not need to be shipped off to get help. Chelsey, My nightmares were mostly about feeling trapped and having no sense of control over my own life. Supposedly they ran, stole a car, and stole a boat before being caught by the police and put in juvenile hall. My heart felt empty because the program manipulated his parents. This was real, and Im here to validate these claims. But nobody seemed to raise an eyebrow or voice concern that locking young teens in a barred cell in a shack for days, and weeks at a time. When it was more like an experiment on kids.All the mind screwing and torture that we went through. I was hoping theyd let me talk to my mom if I made it serious enough and instead they sent me to the town doctor who said he would need to cauterize my nose because it wouldnt stop bleeding. That place was horrible. Stay in comfort while fishing the best. I was admitted in to University because of her hard, fast work. Pretty frustrating to get an email from a Saunders county employee that they do not have our school records. I kept my mouth shut and the next night they were gone. sadly there are no shortcuts with problems like this. I still remember some of the put downs. I would like to hear from you guys that were there in the beginning like I was. I hope you all are doing okay. Anyway brother John, you were the guy who carried me through that time. These technical fisheries originate from underground aquifers and flow cold and clear year round. $10,975,000. Thanks, I was in wisdom with cliff. The fresh air, mountain views and peaceful setting will make you wish you never had to leave. She said she already knew I was gone and she knew about a couple other crimes I did in between to eat and whatever so she was my biggest cheerleader to get home and booked me a plane ticket to get home that was departing in about an hour. Howd youre junky wife doing who left you cuz she was hooked on speed???? So they probably catered to your needs more by giving you your own trailer and giving you more perks to keep collecting your parents money. I have so many stories from what went on there but not enough time or space here lol. Fuck every parent that ever sent their kids to this school. -Myles wisdomfamily1998, Myles, youre awesome you have no idea how much that would mean to Gabe. Mike the counselor got punched in the face while I was there. The trouble teens in the cabin did not care about her, they were too wrapped up on trying to SURVIVE the program. Stayed in the 18+ house where we had ping pong table, steak cookouts ECT. Updated January 2023: By searching, you agree to the Terms of Use, andPrivacy Policy. It truly breaks my heart that these programs have had that kind of power, to drive children into such sorrow that they see no way out. What I would do to get compensation for the hell you put me through. If you would participate in our goal of shutting these places down for good, you will be helping your daughter and thousands more like her. Bath/Showers are located by the main office. I ran with the nortenos back in the day, and lucky me, there was one fellow 15yo ene there from antiochbut 3 surenos and a crip, and this asian dude that was muscly as fuck but mentally a complete bitch who just wanted the crips to like him. Spent a lot of time in a lot of facilitys but tranquility bay and spring creek were by far the worse. tara I remember you I was in charity too. I never even made it to level 3 I didnt want it. It was a fast and easy program for those that wanted to work it.. I remember 18 year old activities going to the local grocery and Every one of us buying a fat steak and watching a movie in the trailer. I lived life through my headphones and skateboard. And Matt from Alaska. I was sent away because I was a less than desirable child to have in your home. Its the Weirdest Thing I have Ever Seen. In and out of juvi, drugs, steeling etc. Sadly there were some parents that used that program because they wanted to ignore their kids or just use the place as an expensive babysitting.. Rem me? And where was this spring creek at anyways?! I repressed memories about my transport and time at SCL for years. Please contact me at greene0756@gmail.com and I will give you Gabes info. Other than the wolf dog and the couple of friends I made, that place was a nightmare. We will help you hand pick the perfect lodge, design a great fishing program and help coordinate all logistics from airport transfers to meeting, Explore the world's most amazing fisheries with our destination travel program. Hit me up shelbymorgan47@yahoo.com, I was also in spring creek lodge back in 97 for 6 weeks. My son was facing prison so I felt that I had no choice. I think the reason Im pretty good with names is only because Cameron (we called him Dough Boy) had me do the censusso Id type up all the kids names on that weekly level report they posted in the hallway of the school buildingthe building across from the Hungry Horse that had the case workers like Laurie Travers & Jades wife Cassies offices in the middleso yeah, I can recall a lot of names. I always felt cheated out of that time of life I missed, that life they often preached was over because we had ruined it (self affirming prophecies and pseudo self help jargon) but I am blessed for the perspective it gives on how short life is. Just pretty much running a muck. Im just a MOM and a believer, one who loves her children more than life itself and who is even more inspired after hearing your stories to do everything in her power to show her teen daughter love, grace, empathy, forgiveness, and direction, so she can go out into the world with hope, happiness, and unlimited opportunity. Montana Angler has access to a private ranch in the area and approximately 2 miles of the East Gallatin. I was in spring creek in 2006, unity group I got kicked out for being disobedient and fighting they sent me to tranquillity bay for 9 months. She is the superintendent for Sanders County, MT. He justshuts down. Then they finally let me talk to my mother. In fact, in order to even speak to Linderman, your parents needed to pay more. Ill just say this. Not a single person stayed at the campus after Survival/Challenger for more than a week except of course myself. Montana Fly Fishing Ranch - Odell Spring Creek Ranch in Ennis, Montana 100 pristine acres - flyfisherman's dream One family owned for 150 Years Rarely fished, two flat water streams Odell & Bear Creek Build your own lodge $40,000 annual Income old duplex from FF clients $2.6 mil 1 of a kind Call Fred Goffstein 307-690-9499 Show Sheet Koch family unloads Montana ranch to Rupert Murdoch for $200M. I lost my fear of consequences, rules, or really even death in the real world because none of it seemed to compare in measure to the pain I had already witnessed and experienced. I got threw in the habit in winter and was left to die. Let me tell you, that shit bled into my life too. It wasnt right. This ranch is defined by its creeks and water features, boasting over 3 miles of improved, well-managed spring creeks with ponds and sloughs. But not without respect and an open heart to others. They had just opened Spring Creek Lodge in Montana. In a way we are kind of like people who have been through any sort of trauma and didnt seek help.